Monday, February 18, 2019

Joyfully At Home: Chapter 3 - Part Four

I've been slacking a bit when it comes to blog posts recently.  Part of the issue has been the round of Spawn-related appointments, but the other fascinating development has been the fact that the Botkin Sisters have re-emerged from their protracted silence to send an officious, overblown and palpably silly letter to a blogger who wrote a series of posts about 1) the lies that Geoffrey and Victoria Botkins have been telling everyone about their families of origin and 2) used the Botkin Family to discuss covert incest (e.g, emotional incest, emotional entanglement) which I generally term "stunting your kids' emotional growth to suit the needs of the parents.

I'd love to tell you that I have a series of insightful posts waiting based on that letter - but, Jesus, it is so rambling and badly written that I find myself skimming rather than reading the letter. 

I'm currently transcribing one of their free podcasts (ugh) as well as part of the interview between Anna Sofia and Elizabeth Botkin and their father in "So Much More" (double ugh) to repudiate one of the claims the Botkin Sisters made in their letter.   Anna Sophia and Elizabeth claim that Cindy Kunsman didn't use the actual writings or teachings or actions of the Botkin Sisters to support her claims that 1) the Botkin parents lie through their teeth about their parents and 2) the Botkin parents have worked diligently to keep their adult children emotionally dependent on the parents in an unhealthy way. 

Well, Cindy Kunsman may not have directly referenced the writings of the Botkin family when she wrote the post ten years ago - but I certainly have along with  Hester over at Scarlet Letters

In a cosmically aligned irony, the Botkin Sisters today are a great counterexample to advice given by Jasmine Baucham in her book "Joyfully At Home".   The third chapter in the book has been filled with advice on how to be a good daughter to a CP/QF dad while avoiding the accusation that the daughter is wasting time by remaining a child by living at home until married.

 In the last post, we discussed how Ms. Baucham's belief that a good stay-at-home daughter should be fully conversant in her father's vision fails mightily if her father's vision is wrong.  For example, Kathryn Joyce in "Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement" shares the family anecdote that Geoffrey Botkin shared far and wide to catch people's attention about his two-hundred year plan.   When Anna Sofia was born, Victoria had heavy postpartum bleeding and the midwives handed off Anna Sofia to Geoffrey to care for while they tried to staunch the bleeding.  Geoffrey was overwhelmed at having his first daughter and remembered that women have all the eggs they will ever need at birth.  He cups his hand over little Anna Sofia's abdomen and prays that God will give her an early, highly fruitful marriage. 

Now, Anna Sofia is in her mid-thirties and still bears the name of Botkin - so I think I can safely say that her father's vision of an early marriage for her (and Elizabeth presumably) has failed.  The two sisters have 5 to 10 years of childbearing left if they marry soon - but the time left for a large family of more than 2-3 kids is rapidly running out.

The next quotes from Jasmine Baucham's book bring up a different scenario.  What is a girl to do if her dad doesn't have a huge, overarching plan?  On this blog, the families we meet here are strongly biased in favor of fathers who have clear plan for how their immediate family of CP/QF believers are going to do something huge over time.  This bias happens because I'm reviewing materials created by motivated family members - and motivated family members seem to come from motivated parents frequently. 

This bias is important to remember because the CP/QF families I meet in real life rarely have as organized or far-reaching plans for the rebirth of Western Civilization or slowly replacing everyone in Leavenworth, Kansas with Maxwell descendents.  (Ok, I don't know if that is really the plan of the Maxwells or just a side effect of not wanting the grown-up kids to live more than a mile away....)  Most families have two parents who are working hard - really hard - crazily hard - to support a large to extremely large family on multiple blue collar jobs.  They love their kids.  They love their spouse.  They have a deep, personal faith in Jesus.  They try their best to homeschool their kids, but are often overwhelmed by the sheer struggle to provide the basics of food, clothing and shelter for the kids let alone provide the materials to educate them. 

For these families, a response to a teenage daughter in her late teens or twenties to "What can I do to support your vision?" may honestly be "Get a job to help us pay for gas, groceries, clothes, rent...."

I suspect 19-year old Jasmine Baucham ran in more financially stable circles, but the first quote is still condescending to young women:


To cherish your father's vision is not to wake up every morning and expect him to make your life worthwhile. I have received countless emails and inquiries from young women who are throwing their hands up in despair. " My dad doesn't have a vision!" What these girls usually mean is that they are waiting for their fathers to micromanage their time at home, and would feel more comfortable being told what to do every second of every day then actively seek ways to bless their father and their household as their own. (pg. 51)

I doubt that's true.   I'm assuming a young woman who hunts down contact info for Jasmine Baucham after reading her book and writes an email seeking help when her dad says that he doesn't have a vision is both highly motivated and reasonably competent in the first place.  If she was less motivated, her response to a non-vision by her father would be a sigh of relief and kicking back to read a Christian romance.   If she was honestly clueless, that email would never get sent.

I think it's a safe assumption that those young women are in a family without a huge vision. 

But don't worry; 19 year-old Jasmine has your back! 

She realizes that all Christians are called to spread the Gospel - so your dad has a vision even if he doesn't know he has a vision - and brainstorms some ideas that a young woman could bring to her dad in the next quote:


In that Spirit, even if your dad never tells you specific things that you can do to aid him in his vision, you can work on helping him by advancing the gospel in and through your home. Ask your dad if it would be all right for you to arrange for two families from your church to come to dinner at your home every week. See if you can spare you once a week to babysit for a busy mother at your church. Ask him if it would be alright if you had several younger women over to your family's home one day a week to minister to them. (pg. 51)

I'm cringing on behalf of real-adult Jasmine and grateful (yet again) that no one ever showed any interest in publishing a self-help book written by me at 19. 

 Lots of CP/QF families are food-insecure.  If you can barely feed your double-digit family, bringing two more families over for dinner weekly might break your family.  Heck, that would be a financial drain on a lot of blue collar families with a few kids or single-income white collar families.  Instead, find a free meeting place at an easily accessible location for a monthly Bible-based story time.   Local libraries often have free community meeting spaces on a first-come, first-serve basis.  If you have a little more money, reach out to offer free rides to and from to other families who might not have extra gas money.

The babysitting idea is good - assuming you are not needed at home by your family, have reliable transportation, and gas money.  I feel like that is unlikely to be true for most CP/QF families, though.

Oddly enough, the last one is the most annoying to me.  This can inconvenience both parents, your siblings, the parents of the ministered young women and the young women if done right...or maybe I mean wrong. 

The most obvious annoyance to me as an adult woman would be having to clean my house to "ready for outsider" standards.  Additionally, the visitors may want snacks...or to talk to me.  I promise I'm not a anti-social begrudging hermit in real life, but the thought of having my house invaded by young women who need ministering puts me in a bad headspace. 

My husband would like it even less; he's a solid introvert who appreciates a calm and quiet house.

Since most CP/QF houses are overcrowded to start with, dragging ministering targets into the house decreases the room siblings have to play while increasing the likelihood that irritations will happen.

The dynamics in play for the girl's family are at least unlikely to split a church; what happens when the ministering teen teaches something that differs from the other family's belief system?  The CP/QF blog-o-sphere and the blogs of people who have left are already filled with church splits over broken courtships or minor theological disputes.  I am confident this would lead to at least one messy church fiasco a year.

Last - but not least - who wants to be ministered to?  I am extremely easily amused and having a slightly older girl take me on as a personal ministry project sounds hellish. 

My take-away: if your dad doesn't have a vision, count your blessing and read a good book!

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  2. Dang, you manage to spot more bugs in this system than anyone who's ever lived in it! Or at least more than the former kids of the most severe members did in their heyday. Aside from possible doctrinal disagreements in these ministering meetings, I guess we're supposed to pretend small children in such homes are too well-behaved to mind when their space is invaded, and older kids are naturally delighted to share it with "friends" of any age. I'm also guessing Jasmine never had to do this, or not to a great extent.

    I was stunned by that Botkin letter, and still wondering how much is really perceived to be true by the daughters; back in August, Elizabeth Botkin had mentioned how it was a wonderful year for her and didn't seem to be suffering from any affected relationships (in fact, she was addressing friends when she said that). However, I have no doubt Victoria and Geoff's seven kids have run up against some surprised reactions before from people who know the details; when your parents have been involved in that many activities and denied or changed so much of the past, it's inevitable. I also told Cindy Kunsman that I wondered if, in fact, due to their sheltering as teens, their visit to her site was possibly the first time they ever saw the detailed and dated facts of their father's old cultic activities. They must have come across numerous criticisms of their writings over the years, but Cindy's blog focused primarily on their dad and offered some of the most painstakingly researched facts about his ugly past; that would hit them where it hurt the most. I'm praying this might, just might, open a door to a very slow change for them (if just one of them started walking away from the core system, it could be the beginning of a similar journey for the other). They should really consult their cousin Katie for inside feedback about family history. I look forward to your transcription of the podcast and creepy interview!

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    1. I think Jasmine had the luck of being raised with one brother who is 4 years younger than her - followed by a 9 year gap before her parents started adopting kids to have a large family. It's a lot like the differences between the lives of the oldest three Maxwell kids compared to the younger 5. Not having to compete for resources in your early years (including parental attention) is a nice feature of small families.

      I believe that the Botkin Sisters believe everything that they wrote in that letter. The creepy interview is creepy because the Botkins clearly believe that they will face continued persecution from speaking the truth. Now, I've seen very little sign of them dealing with persecution; their family has done quite well financially for the education and career training gaps that they have.

      What I speculate is happening - which is clearly only speculation - is that the cracks in the family system are starting to show. The Botkin Family has four unmarried kids who will be 34, 32, 27 and 23 years old this year. The oldest three are well past the expected age of marriage. Looking at the pictures of the married boys makes me wonder if they are wandering away from the CP/QF ideal. Western Civilization hasn't fallen - but Vision Forum did (an ironic oversight in the Botkin letter discussing ATI, but I digress). Near as I can tell Geoffrey isn't bringing in any income. Victoria was going to homeschooling conferences as of fall 2018 so hopefully she's making some income. Anna Sofia and Elizabeth might have some residuals coming in from their podcasts and books - but since their blog is mostly defunct - I doubt it's worth much. The married guys seem to have launched careers - but I doubt they can support their family of origin on top of their adorable growing families. The youngest boys are probably the main earners due to T. Rex Arms - God, I love that name! - but I suspect both of them will be married with kids within 10 years and that's the end of that revenue stream...

      Maybe it's safer to blame Cindy for the failure of the Sisters to marry than blame their dad. Maybe it's safer to assume that malign outside forces are driving money away from the Botkin Family rather than admit that the economic system they've taught fails in practice.

      I dunno - but I hope they chose the hard work of accepting reality over promoting denial.

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    2. I really, really hope it's because cracks are showing and that they split what's left of the rotten core right open. I think it has been greatly beneficial for the three older brothers to separate themselves and develop their own opinions more, and if the two youngest leave and marry before the girls, they're going to be facing the reality of the situation like never before. It was easier being single with a house full of siblings and everyone working toward a common, lucrative goal; with the VF gone hallelujah, everyone's forced to carve their own way. I really hope the girls start looking for answers on many questions now.

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  3. I read the letter you linked to. Unfortunately it's posted on Patheos, which drives me absolutely nuts with all the ads on that site. Jams my browser even sometimes, so I just can't stand spending much time on that site.

    But I will say, the letter has so many issues I just. can't. even.

    I cannot handle the obsessive "we" as if there are not actual individuals involved.

    It drives me crazy that they pose as so amazingly self-educated but don't even understand that quoting from psychologists' ethics standards has nothing to do with people who aren't psychologists.

    Are we supposed to be impressed that they can look something up? Because that's all they've done there. Just looked something up that is irrelevant and quoted it.

    As far as T. Rex Arms -- the first time I saw that name I (like probably a lot of people) honestly wondered why they were selling dinosaur limbs and how many people could possibly want to buy those.

    Seriously.

    And.... one last thing... they say that if Cindy Kunsman really cared she would have reached out to them directly. Look. That's not how this works. You don't get to post toxic stuff all the live long day and just ask people to only contact you privately but not ever post publicly disagreeing. It's just not how it works.

    And if they really have lost all this business and even close friendships I have to wonder how stable those friendships were. I know if any of my good friends were blogged about as having dysfunctional teaching & family dynamics I a) would probably already be pretty aware of that and b) would love them as people regardless.

    Why are we supposed to believe their brand of christianity supposed to be better than others? Can't figure that out.... hmmmm.

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    1. "they say that if Cindy Kunsman really cared she would have reached out to them directly. Look. That's not how this works."

      And in fact, she DID reach out to them years ago. They never responded.

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    2. I hope Anna Sofia and Elizabeth are better differentiated in real life than in their public persona - but their public persona is not differentiated at all. As an identical twin, I've met a handful of badly differentiated twins - twins always described as twins who don't have differences between them. Since Anna Sofia had 2 years of life before Elizabeth was born, I hope they do have some differentiation - but their habit of signing everything as "Anna Sofia and Elizabeth Botkin" is disconcerting.

      Slinging unrelated quotes taken out of context has worked well for the Botkin Sisters; that's pretty much "So Much More" in a nutshell and a good chunk of "It's Not that Complicated". The sad bit is that the Botkins claim they are super-duper-educated, but their literary allusions show that they either never read/watched the media they quote...or that they are totally lost. The best example is their claim that Peter Pan and Pirates of Penzance both are examples of boy-men who don't want to grow up. Not a bad synopsis of Peter Pan...but not Pirates.

      As to lost friends and business...well...there's a lot of other reasons that the Botkins may have fewer friends now than in 2008-2009. The complete collapse of VF caused a lot of former members to leave CP/QF and the remainder lost events to meet together. Teh years causes a lot of relationships to fade as people move and change. Businesses go through cycles of plenty and scarcity - doubly so when a business provides high-end merchandise for a small market.

      I'm sure it feel safer for the Botkins to feel that Cindy has created their problems with a series of blogs - but honestly, those posts are really old, not high in the search rankings and could easily be outpaced by Anna Sofia and Elizabeth publishing on their blog again.

      This is super-petty of me - but I out-published them when I was working/pregnant, while Jack was in the NICU and while I was caring for a medically complicated infant. Like...why aren't they writing if they care so much about internet searches? Having each sister write 2 posts a week would shove out most critical blogs down the rankings more - and this is basic SEO info. So I suspect this is about something else - but blaming Cindy is safer.

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